Listen to Episode 5, “The Seeds Herman Planted”
Our miniseries finale sees us visit Herman one more time, to walk with him hand in hand through his twilight years, surrounded by family, love and an enduring need to fight back against the system. Despite national government failures to make the economic changes that Herman advocated, cities around the world are stepping up to fill the vacuum.
For this episode of Going Steady, we’re joining podcasts around the world for a special moment of reflection. In tandem with the 80th United Nations General Assembly, we’re asking a vital question: where do we find hope at such a challenging time? And the answer is in our cities. In this episode we’ll be taking you on a journey from doughnuts to degrowth, from Glasgow to Tokyo – and many urban centres in between – to show how cities have become the theaters to implement new ideas, grassroots economic projects and ambitious policies that flow from Herman Daly’s revolutionary economic theories to effect global systems change from the city streets and upwards.
Featured in this episode:
Karen Daly Junker, Senior Manager of Provenance Research at the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts, and Herman and Marcia’s youngest daughter
Terri Daly Stewart, Senior Occupational Therapist, and Herman and Marcia’s eldest daughter
Denis Lynn Daly Heyck (Deni), Professor Emeritus of Spanish language and literature, and Herman’s sister
David Batker, Ecological economist
Katherine Trebeck, Political economist and writer
Leonora Grcheva, Cities and Regions Lead at the Doughnut Economics Action Lab
Kate Raworth, Co-founder of the Doughnut Economics Action Lab and author of Doughnut Economics
Katy Shields, Regenerative Economist, and co-creator/host of Tipping Point
Cindy Acab, Waste to Resources Network Senior Manager at C40
Councillor Susan Aitken, Leader of Glasgow City Council
Takehiko Nagumo, Director of Smart Cities Institute Japan
Joshua Farley, Ecological economist
Gaya Herrington, Wellbeing economist and author of Five Insights for Avoiding Global Collapse
Angelos Varvarousis, Author and Research Fellow at Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona
Tim Jackson, Ecological economist and author of The Care Economy
Clóvis Cavalcanti, Ecological economist
John Redwood, Consultant and former employee of the World Bank
Jon Sward, Environment Project Manager at the Bretton Woods Project
Peter May, Ecological economist and professor at numerous Brazilian universities
Brian Czech, Executive Director of CASSE
Thank you to the Daly family for their generous support in sharing Herman’s story.
Thank you also to our series consultants and fact checkers, Peter Harnik, Rob Dietz, and Peter Victor, who also graciously supplied the interview tape with Herman Daly, recorded in 2022.
Media in this episode:
Financial Times: “Economics teaching has become the Aeroflot of ideas” by Ha-Joon Chang
The Ten Green Commandments of Laudato Si’ by Joshtrom Isaac Kureethadam
About the Podcast:
Going Steady with Herman Daly: How to Unbreak the Economy (and the Planet) is a five-episode miniseries from the team behind the acclaimed Cities 1.5 podcastC40 Cities, the C40 Centre and University of Toronto Press.
Featuring previously unreleased interviews with Daly, the miniseries guides the listener through a life shaped by childhood polio, Latin American epiphanies and a passionate, lifelong love story. Daly’s economic ideas – which advocated for a system which incorporated climate, social, and economic justice – were considered so radical that threats were made against his family, and traditional economists shunned him, all culminating in a dramatic resignation from the World Bank. Yet three years after his death, in the face of rising temperatures, extreme weather events, and ecological and economic collapse, climate leaders and progressive economists, globally, feel that Herman’s heretical thinking may be the only way to unbreak our economy. and our planet.
For media citations, please go to the Cities 1.5 episode webpage on the University of Toronto Press website, here.
