Holding the Fire

Award-winning journalist and author Dahr Jamail hosts in-depth interviews with leaders from around the world to uncover Indigenous ways of reckoning with environmental and societal breakdown.

Holding the Fire is produced by Post Carbon Institute and hosted by Resilience.

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Episode 11

Holding the Fire: Episode 12. The End of the World with Dilafruz Khonikboyeva

Following another summer of record heat waves, droughts, floods, and wildfires across vast swaths of the planet, the injuries done to the planet by the Industrial Growth Society have never been so conclusive. As I grapple with collapse, I wanted to speak with Dilafruz Khonikboyeva, an Indigenous Pamiri from Tajikistan, who has lived through it and come out the other side.

December 19, 2023

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Dahr Jamail is the co-editor (with Stan Rushworth) of We are the Middle of Forever: Indigenous Voices from Turtle Island on the Changing Earth and author of The End of Ice: Bearing Witness and Finding Meaning in the Path of Climate Disruption. He has won the Martha Gellhorn Prize for Journalism and the Izzy Award. He lives in Washington State, USA.


Holding the Fire: Indigenous Voices on the Great Unraveling is a project of Post Carbon Institute. Production and editing by Melody Allison, with additional support from Rob Dietz and Asher Miller.

Music: “Hold that Spirit” by Raye Zaragoza; transition music by Lyla June Johnston.

Art: Cover art by Prabha Mallya, created for Current Conservation, licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 License. Artwork adapted to include text.

Thanks to the many friends who supported the development of Holding the Fire, including all those who provided counsel and introductions. Thanks, too, to the Omega Resilience Awards for providing a research grant to support the project. Most of all, our deep gratitude for our guests on the podcast and to their human and more-than-human kin.