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Mysterious Materialism

February 7, 2024

My recent posts have suggested that our world, in all its magnificence, needs nothing beyond physics and emergent complexity to still be mysterious and inspiring, which in turn can lead to being better, humble ecological partners in the community of life. While many human cultures have gravitated toward beliefs in gods, human transcendence, or a higher purpose, I point out that the billion-year timescales of evolution offer plenty of room for unfathomable results that defy our cognitive capacities to grasp. What if all it takes is physics (particles in uncountable relationships) and lots of time for amazingness to emerge? Are you not entertained?

Such a view might predictably be denigrated as reductionist, materialist, and lacking imagination. It’s ironic, because from my point of view it seems to require a super-human amount of imagination: so much that I don’t possess nearly enough on my own—nor has any other human been able to put it all together for us. The very same “failure” of complete end-to-end explanation that causes many to reject the premise leaves me in awe, wonder, and appreciation. One might say that it’s a more challenging concept than the alternatives.

Our recent trajectory has been one of serial demotions, each perhaps more insulting than the last. Earth is not at the center of creation. Nor is the sun at the center of the galaxy. Our galaxy is not at the center of the universe. Our universe may indeed be one among countless others (we can probably never know). Closer to home, we learn that humans evolved from apes, tracing back to slime in our distant lineage. As a corollary, humans are not, in the end, exempt from the laws of life: we are physical beings still subject to—and dependent on—biological and ecological constraints. The proposal I discuss takes the demotion series another step: removing imagined transcendent properties of free will (mind, or soul) and divine favor—instead establishing us as compulsory actors in an extravagant production of physics. It all makes for a rough day, unless your expectations are unusually low.

What could be more humbling than to accept ourselves as piles of atoms executing the interactions of physics? Note that we could use heaps and heaps more humility in our world. Perhaps this is one route to get there: a principle that also more closely binds us to all other life—to our collective benefit.

Deeply Dissatisfying

It seems that a core objection to a materialistic, mechanistic universe, though not necessarily stated so transparently, is that leaving it all to physics is deeply dissatisfying. Determinism seems so pointless and dispiriting—leading some to a self-defeating sense of lacking agency—erroneously and unnecessarily, in my view. Quantum shenanigans that destroy pure determinism don’t make the core insult any easier to bear. The thought that we are simply caught up in a mechanistic dance—no matter how elaborate, unpredictable, and magnificent—is horrifically off-putting to many, and I can certainly sympathize. It’s a hard pill to swallow.

But what would my dissatisfaction have to do with the way the universe actually works? Who do I think I am to dictate the terms? We’re aiming for humble, remember?

To cope with the possibility of a universe that’s going to do what it’s going to do, think about watching a play, movie, or television series. If you’ve never seen it, you don’t know exactly what will happen—even though most shows are a bit formulaic, just like real life. Yet, every cast member follows scripted lines, executing a pre-determined sequence. The experience can still be rather enjoyable, and even teach us valuable lessons about life. In fact, some people have been known to watch the same production more than once, if you’re willing to believe such a high tolerance for deterministic predictability. The other point is that determinism is still operationally unpredictable to us, so that our experience feels completely open-ended.

As an actor in the universe, I won’t refuse to play my part in the great show out of some form of intellectual protest. I do not need to be more special than a really awesome assemblage of atoms that can do cool tricks.

Friends have sometimes described my tolerance for imperfect conditions as being in the stoic tradition. I know little about that tradition per se, but am generally able to accept (and respect) things that are bigger than me. Part of living in the hands of the gods is accepting that fairness will not always appear to operate in my favor. When it comes to sacrificing pleasant notions of my superiority, importance, specialness, or transcendence of physical determinism, I guess I’m not inclined to make a fuss.

Substance or Relational?

I’ll take a brief detour to note that I have heard a materialist worldview called a substance ontology, contrasted to a relational ontology. The first is about pieces; particles. The second is about complex interrelationships. These might even be mapped onto left-brain, decontextualized, disembodied, sterile perceptions vs. right-brain, whole, flowing, contextual, alive. Which is physics? Which am I advocating? Neither. Both.

Physics (everything you sense and experience) involves substances in relationship. Yes, I do have an enormous number of particles in my body, which if desired could be counted at the level of quarks, gluons, photons, electrons, and a smattering of other more exotic particles temporarily passing through. But every one of those particles is in causal contact with the entire past light cone of my position and time in the universe. Every particle in Earth, Sun, Jupiter, the galaxy, and the visible universe has a long-distance relationship to every particle in my body via gravity and electromagnetism. The relational complexity is staggering. Sure, the particle count is enormous, but the relationship count is preposterously large, and dominates. Physics textbooks mostly describe interactions: relations—dependent on intrinsic substance properties but also dynamic relational concepts like position and velocity.

In Feynman Diagram terms, the entire story is in “vertices.” These are diagrammatic nodes representing particle interactions—never a lone particle. Interactions between particles are everything.

So, to me, physics reflects both left- and right-brain realities: substance and relations. Don’t make me pick, as either one seems meaningless without the other. What can emerge from those uncountable relationships is indeed impressively amazing.

Boggling the “Mind”

Discussions of this sort quickly grind on the rocks of consciousness, mind, and all that claptrap. Yes, I also feel that I have a mind of my own. I feel that I can choose freely to turn left or right. I feel like determinism can’t be the way of things, because clearly my actions stem from me and have consequences—impacting the future flow of events in an unpredictable way. But again: what universe cares how I feel about it? It’s not about me or my preferences: how absurd! Insistence on a mind that is somehow more than emergent complexity feels a little narcissistic to me, and that makes me uncomfortable. It privileges me in destructive ways.

An aside about agency. An agent causes something to happen. We indeed have agency, in the sense that we cause things to happen, by being something more than inert lumps and actually interacting with the universe in an incredibly entangled way. An amoeba has agency: it processes options and executes a response that changes the future course of the world. A hurricane has agency, for that matter—sometimes changing course with “a mind of its own” and acting as an agent of destructive energy release. And yes, the actions we perform are processed and coordinated in our very own bodies and brains, constituting physical volition (but still in interdependent relationship to everything around us and into our past). So, sure: we do things. We have roles. We react to complex stimuli that we sense (awareness). These facts do not change if we are piles of atoms arranged as a lifeform governed by physics. It just doesn’t feel psychologically satisfying, and most people want more for themselves.

Back to consciousness: the charge is that the hard-nosed reductionist-materialist has not provided a satisfactory explanation of the sensation of consciousness. Okay, so? Is it then automatically disqualified from the realm of truth? It’s frikin’ complicated, people! We may never have the capacity to close all the gaps, and why is that an expectation or requirement? Can we not admit that there are limits to our intellectual capabilities—especially in the face of staggering complexity? Some respond to the combination of limits and distaste by attributing the mystery to something divine or a thing called free will. The urge is incredibly strong—almost irresistible. It really feels like that’s what’s going on, which is very hard to dismiss. But it also seems comparatively facile and unimaginative.

Just a Great Dance?

The idea that the great dance in which we are caught up is simply an elaborate execution of physics in a complex universe of relationships can be unsettling, often triggering an allergic reaction. I get that. I can’t say that I’m innately attracted to the idea, myself. But who cares? My range of tolerance can expand to include the idea, and I can make the most of it by even being inspired by the phenomenal outcomes. Knowing of no demonstrable exception to the universality of physics would suggest to me that we not invent unsupported complications if the basics are, in principle, able to produce what we witness. Even this “simplest” explanation founded on experimentally verified material relationships becomes too complex to grasp. It’s enough.

Restated, the yawning gulf between the physics we see governing every examined interaction in the universe with no known exceptions and the amazing world of life and experience is not sufficient cause to reject the notion that the two are indeed connected from one end to the other. Just because we don’t have the capacity to trace the convoluted connection in full doesn’t make it illegitimate.

So, I suppose my call is to really stretch and admit that yes: it could really be that disappointingly simple, at base—then loaded up with inconceivable complexity. We do not have,—and perhaps never will have—complete evidence either way, which means we’re dealing with pure belief (or preference) no matter whether we accept or reject the idea.

I am, for the moment, content to believe that the physics we see governing every interaction we can test applies all the way to the most complex emergent phenomena we witness in the universe. I have no defensible reason for asserting otherwise. Don’t ask me how it does it: no one knows, in full, and likely never will. No matter what, mystery will always be present. We could attempt to explain the mystery in the form of a deity, a soul, and/or free will that overrides the semi-deterministic machinery of physics (why even mess with a meat brain, then?)—or accept the form I have adopted: that a set of simple rules manages, inexplicably, to result in all this. I suppose all are inspiring in their own ways. I don’t find my suggested approach at all lacking in its radical coolness and impenetrability.

Why Does it Matter?

I also resonate with the humility that such a view requires. Many of the alternatives conceitedly elevate ourselves (or our consciousness) over the rest of the mundane universe, including over the plants and animals in our community of life. Believing that we all work on exactly the same foundations and got here along the same evolutionary track—in the hands of the gods—is very bonding, and even sweet/precious. I think such a belief can move some very rewarding outcomes.

Yes: I am fully aware how inconsistent and nonsensical this sounds to those who can’t accept my framing. One’s default cosmology can constrain what is imagined to be possible or what can even make sense. The disconnect is: if I shun free will, and imagine a giant dance playing out by the rules of physics, what does it even mean to speak of moving something rewarding? Doesn’t that require free will or the like? It’s just this: our species may suffer its own demise in a mass extinction of our making, or we might recognize the error of our ways and react to that complex stimulus in a complex way that sucks a lot less for us and other species. Regardless of whether this is essentially pre-determined, I’ll be among those agitating for the latter course, based on how my brain processes the multitude of stimuli to which I have been exposed. Just because things go the way they go does not mean it happens without motivated actors playing their parts. In full awareness of my views and their implications, my role is apparently to reject the idea of giving up and deciding there’s no point, and instead to be one of those agents in the dance pushing in one direction.  Independent of success or failure, I operate within the part of the system that will try, and you might be one of those, too. [I won’t mistakenly attribute this to Winston Churchill]

In short, I don’t need exclusive rights to my actions for me to still perform them, with satisfaction. It’s enough for me that I react the way I do given the circumstances my senses perceive. I’m glad to have a part, and to participate in this incredible life. It gives me pleasure to be on the side of all life, and to be an agent trying to nudge humanity in an adaptively beneficial direction.

Tom Murphy

Tom Murphy is professor emeritus of Physics and Astronomy & Astrophysics at the University of California, San Diego, where he spent two decades studying astrophysics and leading a lunar laser-ranging experiment that tested General Relativity with one-millimeter range precision. Following his instincts to educate, Murphy is eager to get people thinking about the quantitatively convincing case that our pursuit of an ever-bigger scale of life faces gigantic challenges and carries significant risks, which he explores in his Do the Math blog and related writing.

Note from Tom: To learn more about my personal perspective and whether you should dismiss some of my views as alarmist, read my Chicken Little page.

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James R. Martin
2 years ago

I think it is important that we also recognize that there are quite a few actual and potential concepts of what “materialism” and “physicalism” even means.

There are, for example, forms of materialism / physicalism which have various kinds of overlap, or resonance, with various kinds vitalism, animism and panpsychism — of which there are also several kinds of each of these. (E.g., not all animists are believers in “spirits” inhabiting what most moderns would call “inanimate” material objects or places. Rather, some would say that “spirit” or “mystery” inhabits all of matter, all time and space … as a unified entity rather than merely local phenomena.)

I do tend to believe some kind of another of animism and panpsychism resonates with my experience of a living kosmos.

Anyway, what do we even mean by “matter” in materialism?

Conventional, mainstream physics, of course, is only interested in the measurable aspects of matter, with measurement being something fairly restricted in scope. But we have no certainty whatsoever that this provides a comprehensive understanding of what matter “is”. It only tells us something about what matter does, how it behaves under laboratory conditions, meaning mainly under the conditioned gaze of modern physics.

Tom Murphy
Tom Murphy
2 years ago

Thanks for the thoughtful composition. Following the rules of physics along a “deterministic” path does not require that the path be known or authored. Why would that be a requirement? It can be just: rules—now go! It’s a script that writes itself as it goes, based on the rules of what must happen next.

On the Dawn of Everything line: yes—lots of modalities might emerge, and may even persist in isolation. Take away the isolation (inevitable on connected continents) and dynamics play out: just try to stop them! Biological evolution works in precisely the same way. Many amazing things are tried, but not all can exist in relationship to everything else that’s out there. It is worthwhile acknowledging possibilities, as Graeber did, but not to the exclusion of interaction and consequences.

Whether philosophical dissatisfaction is psychological or intellectual in nature is perhaps irrelevant to how the universe works. Our failure to connect all the dots is not the universe’s problem, but our own incapacity. So be it. We will still nudge history, as we have always done. We still have motivations, even if these distill to neurochemical elements shaped by billions of years of evolution into a social species. Nothing comes grinding to a halt just because some are dissatisfied with the philosophy. In fact, philosophies may be said to be fabrications of our own that help us cope with reality: they need not be correct as far as the universe is concerned.

The urge to dance or play is real, and fun. I don’t think anyone can mount a solid argument that such things cannot arise from emergent complexity and social/neurochemical contexts. Hormones (dopamine and the like) offer rewards that we seek, and dancing/play are connected, providing joyful experience.

So, no one can credibly proclaim that the universe is more than simple rules: it’s just upsetting to many. My stance is: why isn’t that enough? Why can’t we humbly rejoice to be a part of it? Why can’t we build on that simple foundation to realize we are all in this together; all amazing forms of life among countless others; all lucky to be alive (all the more so given the impersonal foundation); all united in laughter and sorrow and other emotions? I really like your final expression, and I actually think this physics foundation might help lay tracks back to a more animistic sense that we are all tangled in the phenomenal dance together—which richly-interactive matter indeed was able to generate.

Gilbert Fritz
Gilbert Fritz
2 years ago

It might be worth noting that materialism (in the sense you are using it here) was a fairly uncommon philosophy before modern times. As you’ve rightly noted elsewhere, modern times are very unusual and exceptional, a brief, unusual blip compared to the rest of human history, let alone the history of the universe. And, as you’ve also noted, this modern blip is problematic, particularly due to its arrogance and short-sightedness.

That being the case, it seems to me to be significant that just about every human being from simpler/humbler eras believed that there was more out there than matter; they all believed in spirits/gods of some sort. (The only exception I can think of are a few philosophers in classical Greece and Rome; and like us, they were part of an urban elite, at the top of a fairly “advanced” civilization. I can’t think of any “primitive” or “peasant” societies that advocated these kinds of ideas.)

In fact, isn’t the idea that we can understand the basic workings of the universe via the laws of physics inherently presumptuous? It certainly seems to have led a lot of us to think that we will eventually master the universe, converting our understanding into control. At least all the benighted primitives felt that they couldn’t fully understand the gods, let alone control them.

James R. Martin
2 years ago

“I’ll take a brief detour to note that I have heard a materialist worldview called a substance ontology, contrasted to a relational ontology. The first is about pieces; particles. The second is about complex interrelationships. These might even be mapped onto left-brain, decontextualized, disembodied, sterile perceptions vs. right-brain, whole, flowing, contextual, alive. Which is physics? Which am I advocating? Neither. Both.”

When we speak of “relational” versus “substance” ontologies, we’re not speaking of substance in the same sense as the physics and chemistry concept of substance, and so it’s easy to become confused about what “substance” refers to in relation to ontology.

For an explanation see: https://plato.stanford.edu/Entries/substance/

When people (like myself) who subscribe to relational ontology run into statements such as you’ve provided, in which it is assumed that a materialist worldview must be a substance ontology worldview, we’re pretty sure that our interlocutor hasn’t quite grasped how materialism (or physicalism) pertains to fundamental questions concerning relational versus substance ontologies. The truth is, there are a great many materialists and physicalists who subscribe to relational ontology. Physicalism and relational ontology are in no way logically inconsistent — or contradictory.

It’s also true that accepting the real existence of individual entities (things, objects, animals, people, planets, etc.) by no means results in a substance ontological orientation. Subscribers to relational ontology by no means deny the existence of specific or individual “entities”.

What relational ontologists are taking to be true, in a nut shell, is that no entities exist independently of other entities, but only in relation to other entities, and entities “constitute” one another, rather than existing independently.

You and I were raised in a culture in which substance ontology has been the default setting, so to speak. And so it can be difficult to even imagine our world as a world in which relations are primary, rather than “substances” (in the philosophical sense.)

It may begin to help you grasp the concept of substance, in the philosophical sense, if you know that Rene Descartes believed the cosmos to be divided into two “substances.” The first was mind (essentially). The second was the world of time, space and matter. The latter Descartes called “extended” (meaning they had spatial characteristics, and temporal ones, too). Descartes believed mind lacked such “extension” — or presence in time and space. He couldn’t imagine how, therefore, a mind was able to influence the movement of his own body, since the mind was utterly apart from the realm of time, space and matter. He proposed that perhaps the pineal gland enabled the non-material mind to somehow allow Descartes to move his arm upon his will to do so.

There are plenty of good reasons to adopt a relational ontology orientation on our world, but to do so if one is oriented in a substance ontology framework is to undergo a form of metanoia. It can result in a dramatic shift in perspective on nearly everything, and might even be a bit disorienting in the transition. It probably will be!

One of my main reasons for taking relational ontology to be of crucial importance to all of humanity now is that it provides a basis for radically re-imagining (and re-experiencing, re-percieving) the nature of mind and consciousness. Unfortunately, most everyone remains Cartesian in a certain sense, in that they believe that the “I” (the “myself”) is “internal” and the world is “external”. Same with the psyche, cognition, etc. So the basic idea is that there is this “me” which is “in here” and then there is the world which is “out there”. Other selves are also out there, like chairs, tables and lamps. The moon. Mountains and rivers — all “out there”.

This obviates an essential insight into the relational nature of mind, self and psyche. And, in my very strong opinion, it obscures our capacity to understand the shared and collective nature of cognition within a cultural evolutionary framework. The notion that self / psyche / cognition is entirely “in here”, rather than partly “in here” but also “distributed” ubiquitously, blinds us to the kind of human agency which we really do have. Agency is never fully the consequence of a substantive self! It is always an emergent property of a relational self. That is, the self is always relational, as is the agency which a self possesses.

Knowing this provides a basis in understanding to re-imagine our social and political world in very fundamental ways, which is utterly necessary in this time of metacrisis / polycrisis / megacrisis…. The shit is hitting the fan as it is largely because we are — collectively — sleepwalking within a cultural trance in which we imagine ourselves as separate from nature, separate from one another, separate to the core of our being. This separateness (which is different from distinctness) is a mass hallucination and a delusion. And I believe it is the root cause of our metacrisis / polycrisis.

Relational ontology enables us to understand our agency in this world, without which, as Emerson put it, “things are in the saddle and ride mankind.” If the self is fundamentally relational in nature then agency means not acting in isolation but acting in relation — together with others. But to understand this, one has to understand how cognition moves across time and space as a cultural evolutionary processes in which we can be participants.

Becoming relational participants enables us to put ourselves in proper relation to the horse, with ourselves as riders … rather than having the horse ride us. (Be mindful that this is a metaphor, and nothing more! I’m not saying men should dominate horses!) At the moment, culturally, we’re being “ridden” by techno-capitalist industrialism … and it’s political apparatus. Such is a very harmful and dangerous situation, requiring a collective (shared) awakening to our actual human agency as relational agents.

Crucial to all I’ve said is that I’m insisting that there is a crucial distinction between distinctness and separation (in a substance ontology sense). It continually astonishes me when people conflate distinctness with separation. Have they never noticed how their thumb is continuous with their hand, their hand continuous with their arm, their arm continuous with their heart, lungs, feet, eyes and elbows? Their body continuous with the natural and social world? Their minds continuous with the minds of others?

Brian Lloyd
Brian Lloyd
2 years ago

The idea that we are all following a script presumes that somewhere there is an Author. You are a materialist, so yours is not a god or a transcendent purpose but a “set of simple rules” ordained by the laws of physics. We are no longer “sinners in the hands of an angry god” (the Puritan view) but dancers whirling along in an indifferent universe. Yet the sense of predestination is still there, as you seem happy to acknowledge. The whole business is still, as you put it, “managed” somehow.

As a David Graeber fan, I recall what this view came to in your review (reprinted here some time ago) of The Dawn of Everything. Graeber was trying to document the existence of social groupings that seemed not to fit into the script that saw political centralization and class stratification as fated outcomes – were not subject, one might say, to the “set of simple rules” inscribed in the process of modernization. He saw these as possibilities – paths history might have taken had they not been snuffed out by the centralizers and the colonizers. You pointed to the outcome – they did indeed fall under the wheels of progress – as proof of an iron logic at work governing what was and was not a real possibility. You were not much interested in the actual snuffing out and chided Graeber for entertaining the idea that things might have worked out differently.

I would like to understand the snuffing out and the laws of physics cannot contribute anything meaningful to an explanation. That is my problem with a view that manages complexity by reducing it to physical laws. Your view does not unsettle me psychologically but fails to satisfy intellectually. The rush to collapse everything to a set of rules leaves too much out of the picture. It is finally too narrow a view to encompass features and events that need accounting for if we are to make any claims to understanding anything. Our nudging of history is not going to amount to much if the philosophy we bring to bear only speaks the language of matter in motion and, whenever those words fail, seeks consolation in the mysterious.

I am happy to accept my role as a dancer but for the pleasure of the dance itself. Just why the urge to move my body in rhythm with a bit of music will overwhelm me – nudge me off whatever track I was on – is a mystery to me. But it is a mystery that resides in the realm of spirit rather than matter. It is the same urge we see expressed by other animals when we witness them doing things for the pure joy of it. That is how I propose to see myself connected to a living universe and, in that search, find the humility you also seek.

The monotheists centralized spirit – gathered it all together in one entity and made of it an absolute sovereign. The materialists dissolve it in a stew of atoms. Our current predicament suggests that we would be better served by returning spirit to the habitat it occupied before monotheistic religion and mechanistic science emerged on the scene – in the land, in the rivers and mountains, in the wings of birds when they perform somersaults and the feet of humans when they dance. Set matter and spirit together in unlawful and unruly motion and possibilities emerge that matter, left to its own devices, will never generate.

Andrew Randrianasulu
Andrew Randrianasulu
2 years ago

Well, isn’t it natural (hmm) for physicist to put physics somewhat at roots of everything? 🙂

Tbh I think this is a bit … irrelevant? Nice to wonder about, but usn’t it more impirtant to nudge future in such a way such wondering will be possible not just in few decades or centuries for now but for much, much longer?

This old English author did a great job for me connecting sicial thoughts, philisophy,science and literature

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olaf_Stapledon

Life isultracompkex and has a lot of hidden connections – yet fragile and loss can be permanent. So,do not be an ass to asses and other horses …

I bet majority of humans on this planet do not need giant Integrated View On All Space and Time. It will be nice if they eventually will learn to enjoy even this flight of fancy imagination, but for here and now even much simpler set of ideas might be needed …