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Can we save the world without free will?

November 17, 2023

Many articles on environmental topics are secular homilies, bristling with shoulds and shouldn’ts. Don’t use a gasoline-powered leaf blower. Buy an electric car instead of a gas-powered car. Eat organically grown food. Use less water. Put solar panels on your roof. Recycle your old stuff, and be sure to put it in the right bin. If you don’t behave right, we will all go to climate hell.

But what if we humans actually don’t have free will—the ability to act without constraints of circumstances, necessity, or fate? Is it possible to organize mass behavioral change in its absence? Those are the questions I’m asking myself as I read Robert Sapolsky’s new book, Determined: A Science of Life Without Free Will.

Sapolsky is a professor of biology, neurology, and neurosurgery at Stanford University. You may know him as the author of the bestselling Behave: The Biology of Humans at Our Best and Worst, which summarizes what science has revealed about why people do what they do.

In Determined, Sapolsky takes on possibly the thorniest question in philosophy, psychology, and behavioral science: does free will exist? Having spent decades thinking about this question in the light of evidence from the relevant disciplines, Sapolsky has landed firmly in the “no” camp. And his book makes the case with thoroughness and style. I won’t try to reproduce the details of his argument here; if you’re not up for a slow walk through a 400-page tome, here’s an article that offers a good summary.

Sapolsky is a clear thinker and an accessible writer, and he’s ideally qualified to ruminate on the question of whether free will exists. Nevertheless, his argument against free will has to swim upstream. Most people, including many philosophers and psychologists, refuse to share his view. Even when their own evidence and reasoning take them to the verge of concluding there’s no free will, they typically stop short. “Nah,” they say, “there’s got to be free will somewhere, even if we can’t find actual evidence for it.” Religions and criminal justice systems are built on the assumption that we each have a little decider perched in a control room in our skull, capable of overriding hereditary, environmental, and social influences, and signaling our bodies to do the right thing. We choose our behavior, and we therefore deserve the rewards and punishments that society bestows as a result.

Indeed, if you want to make even mild-mannered people so angry that they shout at you, just start a conversation about free will over dinner and take Sapolsky’s position. In discussions with friends and colleagues about Determined, I’ve yet to find anyone who fully agrees with the book’s unwavering position. Maybe humanity’s widespread belief in free will is determined by tradition and social necessity—in which case Sapolsky’s dissent could be an example of free will in action. Ugh! This whole subject gets wickedly convoluted the more you think about it.

Sapolsky describes at length the difficulty in showing that a little decider is really there. Quantum indeterminacy, complexity theory, and chaos theory have been proposed as possible ports through which a decider can enter into our neurological machinery, but Sapolsky finds no escape hatch from determinacy in these abstruse fields. We do what we do because of where we come from, what’s happened to us, and our momentary brain chemistry.

Nevertheless, Sapolsky writes, “. . . my goal isn’t to convince you that there’s no free will; it will suffice if you merely conclude that there’s so much less free will than you thought that you have to change your thinking about some truly important things.” Since the author has, in effect, given me (as a reader) an out, I prefer to remain agnostic on the question of whether there’s any free will at all in the absolute sense—if only to keep from alienating friends. Toward the end of this essay I’ll explain my agnosticism further. But I agree with Sapolsky that a great deal of what we do individually and as societies is determined, and that the hunt for biological or behavioral evidence for the source of intent—free will—is frustratingly difficult and complex.

Does Society as a Whole Have Free Will?

I’ve been inching toward the “no free will” view for the last decade or two, but by a different route than Sapolsky, and without the benefit of his immense knowledge of neuroscience. His argument is pitched mostly on the scale of the individual, via behavioral studies, genetics, and brain function. He would argue that your choice of whether to have cereal or eggs for breakfast this morning was determined by a long chain of constraints starting with biological evolution and ending with your momentary mix of neurotransmitters.

I’ve taken a societal-scale route, as I’ve tried to better understand why humans adopted agriculture, hierarchies of inequality, colonialism, and fossil-fueled industrialism. Many other writers, like me, see these as ultimately disastrous developments, and have tried to boil them down to one or more bad ideas that mistakenly caught on with certain people back along the way. In The Chalice and the Blade, Riane Eisler proposed that some folks living in the Near East thousands of years ago chose the idea of “power over,” or the “dominator model,” as opposed to the then-universal “power with,” or “partnership model.” The rest is bloody history. Similarly, Daniel Quinn, in his book Ishmael, attributed our species’ fateful shift toward animal domestication, and then agriculture and war, to the rise of “takers” over “leavers.” But why did these perilous ideas and behaviors take hold? Why there, why then? Presumably, these people’s free will led them astray.

No, in my view there was an inevitability to it all. Once this happened, that almost surely followed. Given our species’ linguistic and tool-making abilities, and a bit of help from a stabilized climate, it was certain that we humans would occupy more and more territory. Then, once tribes started bumping into each other and competing for choice foraging land, it was inevitable that, in some places at least, weapons would become more sophisticated and groups would get bigger and more hierarchical. Then the biggest groups with the best weapons would overtake the rest. Add capitalism (itself the result of a determined causal chain) and fossil fuels, and soon we have overpopulation, a massive toxic chemicals crisis, and climate change. It didn’t take “bad” people to do any of this. All it took was “good” people responding to necessity using the mindsets that past experience had given them.

The most prominent recent book to advance the idea of societal free will is The Dawn of Everything by David Graeber and David Wengrow (by the way, all three of the books I’ve just mentioned, by Eisler, Quinn, and Graeber/Wengrow, are worth reading and make some excellent points). The assumption that we have free will—at both the individual and societal levels—permeates every page of Dawn. We can choose to be hierarchical or egalitarian. We can choose to have democracy or tyranny. We can choose whether or not to have slavery. The overall shape of society is entirely malleable; we get to decide.

It’s an inviting idea. But Dawn has been criticized by several expert reviewers for ignoring key evidence and mishandling much of the evidence the authors do cite. Specifically, Graeber and Wengrow argue that the rise of economic inequality in early human societies was essentially just a choice by some people to take advantage of others, whereas the evidence instead suggests that inequality emerged through intergroup competition as humans spread across more territory—i.e., that inequality emerged as a solution to problems, and was determined by circumstance. This evidence has been discussed at length by, for example, James C. Scott in Against the Grain. But Graeber and Wengrow deal with this evidence by mostly just sidestepping it. In short, rather than having an enormous palette of choices to pick from at any time, each human society faces options that are constrained by environment, history, and neighboring societies.

An example I often cite has to do with consumerism. Environmentalists have long argued against unbridled consumption, given that we live on a finite planet with limited natural resources and ever fewer places to dump waste. Often, consumerism is regarded as a personal failing, of the kind that drug addiction is often assumed to be. The solution? We just have to become better people, ones who buy only what we really need.

But the history of consumerism paints a very different picture. It arose as a strategy on the part of government and industry leaders to solve the problems of underinvestment and unemployment during the Great Depression. Society faced a crisis—idle factories and millions without work. The answer was obvious: encourage more consumption through advertising, consumer credit, and planned obsolescence. But once society began to depend on the constant growth of consumer spending, other options—for individuals and for society as a whole—were cut off. So, today, no American politician will publicly argue for degrowth, even in the face of rampant environmental destruction, because stopping the consumerist juggernaut would likely lead to mass unemployment, an even bigger explosion of government debt than we are already seeing, and widespread business failures. Yes, there are ways to degrow the economy that might avoid some of the worst of those effects, and the economy will eventually shrink anyway due to environmental limits. But, for now, we’re tied to the manic, accelerating conveyor belt of consumerism; it is a thoroughly determined characteristic of the American economic system. Consumerism isn’t just an aberrant mindset that some people adopt as a result of watching too many commercials; it’s a way of organizing the economy that solves real problems and that will therefore be difficult to dislodge—until it no longer solves problems, including the rapidly worsening problems it self-generates.

The more I know, the more I tend to see the world this way. Why are American politics so polarized and dysfunctional? It’s the result of a chain of causes and effects explored brilliantly by complexity scientist Peter Turchin in his recent book End Times. I sympathize with those who ask, “Can’t we Americans all just be nicer to each other and listen more?” But such calls for free-will-based changes of heart are likely to fail until we better understand the causal chain that got us to where we are.

Societies evolve the way species do, as E. O. Wilson and other scientists who study both humans and other species have tended to conclude. Species can develop surprising abilities and admirable characteristics; but sometimes they evolve into a cul-de-sac of collapse as a result of maladaptation. The same with human societies.

But where does that leave us when we need to persuade lots of people to quickly do something to stop climate change? Should we just clam up and accept our collective fate?

Determined Minds Can Change

It’s natural to assume that if people believe they have no free will, they will feel less responsible for their actions. They will be more fatalistic and less motivated to change their own behavior in order to help society as a whole. If that’s true, then Sapolsky’s book could not have come at a worse time.

But Sapolskly argues that there is little reliable evidence that disbelief in free will is incapacitating. There does seem to be some statistical correlation between disbelief in free will and clinical depression (tellingly, Sapolsky reveals that he’s dealt with depression for decades). However, he cites studies showing that people suffering from depression often have a more accurate view of reality than those who see the world through rose-tinted glasses.

Change is certainly possible without free will. Organisms change all the time, even when their actions can be shown, through detailed knowledge of causal chains involving neurons and neurotransmitters, to be entirely predictable and determined. After all, the environment is always changing, and organisms must adapt quickly, moment by moment, to take advantage of opportunities and minimize risks.

So, free will isn’t required for us to alter behavior on a mass scale so as to minimize climate destabilization and other existential environmental threats. In theory, new information about the worsening impacts of global warming and the loss of wild nature, or better ways of spreading that information, could cause millions or billions of people to shift their behavior rapidly even if they don’t have little independent deciders in their skulls.

Some of us will be primed by genes, experience, and brain chemistry to understand the situation and respond sooner than others. Others will deny what is happening because genes, experience, and their internal cocktail of neurotransmitters have set them up to do so.

And that’s the situation in which we find ourselves: some of us argue for strenuous action to avert the worst, while others don’t even believe there’s a problem.

So, What’s the Difference?

Disbelief in free will may not make it easier or harder for us to stop climate change. But it does make a big difference in our attitude toward others. If we believe that other people do things we disapprove of because their internal deciders are perverse, we may feel that punishment is in order. If these people persist in their wrong-headedness, we may regard them as evil and worthy of contempt or even extermination. Whereas in reality we are all just responding to the cues of our past and present environment, using the biological equipment with which we’ve been supplied. That’s why Sapolsky thinks a world without belief in free will would be a more compassionate world.

Many societies emphasize retribution. People sometimes behave terribly, and many of us get pleasure from seeing bad things happen to people who act in ways we don’t like. Historically, punishments were often far more gory and painful than the behaviors that were being punished. But gradually, here and there, people have come to see that harsh punishments aren’t very effective in deterring bad behavior, but instead turn the punishers themselves into monsters. As an example, Sapolsky cites the history of capital punishment—from horrific medieval public spectacles of drawing and quartering, to public hangings, to private hangings, to executions via electric chair, to lethal injection, to abolition of the death penalty. He points out that, in regions that are less religious and where people tend not to believe so much in free will (e.g., Scandinavia), sentences for crimes are less retributive and more geared simply to protecting the public and providing the offender with positive reinforcement for prosocial behavior. Moreover, crime rates remain lower in those countries than in ones that practice retributive punishment, like the United States. Even if we know that a serial killer was acting as the result of terrible abuse in childhood, it still makes sense to stop him from doing more harm. But the more we know, the less we feel what Sapolsky calls “the joy of punishment.”

The same goes for rewards. If we believe in the little internal decider, then we are more likely to heap honors and riches on individuals who do something admirable. If we don’t believe, we’re more likely to think of those individuals as fortunate for having had the genes and experience that led them to do the admirable thing. But we’re less likely to think that the fortunate person deserves even more fortune. Therefore, a society that doesn’t believe in free will may be less likely to tolerate economic inequality, while a society that does believe may be more likely to think that extreme inequality is simply evidence of people getting what they deserve (caste systems that assign people privilege or poverty based on their circumstances of birth are even more unfair, but require a separate discussion since difference in social status is not tied to people’s behavior).

The case against free will isn’t a case against morals: it still makes sense to teach children in ways that will help them be more compassionate, creative, happy, and successful. That’s part of their conditioning, and you’re more likely to raise kids that way if you were parented similarly.

I write environmental books and articles, drive an electric car instead of a gas-powered car, have solar panels on my roof, eat organically grown food, and recycle old stuff as a result of genetics, environment, and experience. I don’t deserve a medal for any of this. But, by the same token, the next person doesn’t deserve censure because she instead drives a giant gas-guzzling SUV, takes jet vacations to Las Vegas, and goes online every day to buy lots of stuff she doesn’t really need. She is who she is because of her own unique mix of genes and experiences. The kinds of behaviors just mentioned will need to be systematically discouraged by society, if we’re to survive this century’s polycrisis. But it’s nothing personal.

Identifying others as villains and seeking to punish them may be a successful strategy for organizing a coup, insurrection, or revolution—i.e., for taking power from others who currently have it. But it’s a lousy strategy for building a better society or solving a problem like climate change, because it alienates and possibly injures lots of people and turns you into a self-righteous punisher.

A Useful Illusion—Sometimes?

Now, back to my professed agnosticism regarding free will. I’ve taken Sapolsky’s side in this discussion because I think his position deserves an airing. However, as I’ve mentioned already, there are plenty of philosophers and psychologists—even neuroscientists—who disagree with him. In his critical review of Determined, philosopher Nikhil Krishnan makes some good points, based largely on matters of definition and degree. Krishnan and others say we need at least the illusion of free will in order to maintain our “moral vocabulary.” Maybe Sapolsky is right in the science (his critics can’t point to how, when, or where free will enters our neurocircuitry), but we needn’t be thoroughly convinced; maybe it’s enough for his evidence to expand our compassion for others. Full determinism may be too far a shore for society as a whole. Moreover, we should perhaps keep an open mind simply because science is a work in progress.

I’ve argued that it’s a mistake to lavish as much attention and wealth on the fortunate few as we do today, especially in America. But sometimes we need inspiration from others who seem to overcome all the barriers that life puts in their way. One of my heroes in this regard is Louis Armstrong, who grew up in abject poverty amid harsh racial discrimination, but went on to become one of the 20th century’s greatest musicians and a cultural icon—by all accounts a generous, hard-working man who gave millions joy while breaking racial barriers on behalf of himself and others. Was he an example of free will in action? His life story shines brighter when we assume so—even if it’s possible to point to a few key early mentors and benefactors who may have made the difference between a life of achievement and upliftment, and one of degradation and failure.

Finally, to address the question that is the title of this article: can we save the world without free will? In principle, yes. But time will tell just how much of the world actually can be saved at this point. Those of us who understand the situation must, and will, continue warning others. We can’t help ourselves; that’s what we’re primed to do. I, for one, will use every persuasive technique I know to change as many minds as I possibly can. However, on a mass scale, minds will probably change only as circumstances change.

That may not be a satisfying answer to my question. But reality isn’t required to conform with our desires, whether they’re freely willed or not.

Richard Heinberg

Richard passed away unexpectedly in July 2026. Read this rememberance by Asher Miller.

Richard Heinberg was regarded as one of the world’s foremost advocates for a shift away from our current reliance on fossil fuels. He was the author of fourteen books, including some of the seminal works on society’s current energy and environmental sustainability crisis. Richard was Senior Fellow of Post Carbon Institute for nearly twenty years.

Richard authored hundreds of essays and articles that have appeared in such journals as Nature and The Wall Street Journal; delivered hundreds of lectures on energy and climate issues to audiences on six continents; and was quoted and interviewed countless times for print, television, and radio. His monthly MuseLetter was published for 400 consecutive months starting in 1992, and was included in Utne Magazine’s annual list of Best Alternative Newsletters.

Full bio at postcarbon.org.


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Steve Gwynne
Steve Gwynne
2 years ago

I think there is a tendency to conflate conscious reflexivity with free will since in the imagination we can feel capable of anything but more often than not, an idea or a vision borne from the imagination does not materialise. It remains an unrealised dream.

Thus perhaps part of the problem is misrepresenting our conscious reflexivity as free will when all it can do is reflect and cognitively judge.

This brings Sapolsky's argument that we would be more compassionate if we accepted that free will was just our conscious reflexivity and so rather than reflexively judge our determined actions, we might be better just bearing witness or simply observing our determined actions without judgement.

Boris Karlkoff
Boris Karlkoff
2 years ago

There are at least two problems with this theory. One is partly mentioned – the state of understanding human mind. What we can say about consciosness and brain and basic thinking is that we know very little. We actually know very little about any emergent qualities of any complex system. The very belief that we can portion a system into elemental particles and find out how the system operates based on observing the behaviour of its elements is, frankly, absurd. One of the reason such a belief persists in sciences is because of “objective reality”, or the idea that we can describe the world we sea, identify its precise boundaries and then mathematically and otherwise express what happens there from the God’s eye view. But we are not Gods and the idea that we can step back from our perception and objectively measure it and quantify it and qualify is partly the result of avoiding the uncertainty of living in a complex world.

Now the second problem are some of those examples used. The reason why the UK and the US have such a rubbish take on punishment compared to other countries might very well be laid at the feet of language. As George Lakoff says (and he has a lot to say on objective reality) or as Lera Boroditsky explains here: https://www.ted.com/talks/lera_boroditsky_how_language_shapes_the_way_we_think/transcript, if your language requires you to name the subject in every sentence, you might punish someone more. That is not genetics, that is systemic causation, but connecting it to thinking about free will seems like a stretch. We might just as well ask ourselves (or them) how do Nordic countries talk about free will.

It was an interesting reading, but the conviction of some people that they can simplify the world into the categories they see should be fought. Why not, we can definitely discuss free will, but not being able to see free will is basically the same as not seeing bacteria 500 years ago and saying they don’t exist.

Robin Schaufler
Robin Schaufler
2 years ago

Like PattiMichelle, I love your writing, Alice J. Friedemann. However, it amazes me how people’s preconditioning determines their responses to it. Your Life After Fossil Fuels prompted me to check some of your data, math, and claims, and I found enough of it convincing to feel satisfied with the rest. So satisfied that I bought extra copies to make it easy to loan out, and left a +++++ review on Amazon. I loaned it to someone who claimed to have read it, and responded that he was “in favor of nuclear”. He returned it in a context where further discourse was impossible. I believe he flipped through it to the final chapter on Wood World, in search of something he could act on as an elected municipal official, and finding nothing, felt compelled to chuck the baby with the bathwater. I don’t fault him. He is driven by neural wiring and circumstance to need to do something constructive to maintain Business As Usual while “solving” climate change.

Well, when you see organisms as complex adaptive systems, and as holons within ecosystems that are complex adaptive systems, while hosting cells that are complex adaptive systems, extending to an infinite fractal of complex adaptive systems; and add to that the understanding of the difficulty in predicting or controlling the outcome of actions upon the levers of complex adaptive systems, the relational nature of our existence becomes obvious. Your background in systems analysis, and your stories of leverage points in the in-between serve as lessons in how those of us with a will to do so may insert ourselves as agents of positive change. That our will to agency is predetermined is irrelevant. We can be agents, just as wind and water exert agency, whether they possess a will or not.

Keep writing, Alice. I am in your fan club.

Robin Schaufler
Robin Schaufler
2 years ago

Furthermore, “free will” presumes the existence of individual identity. The Buddha contradicts the latter. Selfhood is a construct of the internal “narrator” (as opposed to “decider”) lodged in our brains. Our brains contain numerous, relatively independent actors controlling different facets of behavior. The unification into selfhood or “soul” is an illusion of narration.

mwildfire
mwildfire
2 years ago

I think that the idea that we have no free will because someone can show a list of long-term and short-term reasons why each of us made a given decision (and could show a different list, after the fact, if we decided differently) is kinda silly, a way of looking at things rather than a scientific discovery.
Was it inevitable that we would end up, as a species, where we are now due to agriculture, fossil fuels, etc.? Perhaps, but I think Heinberg left out a key item. Settled, agrarian societies have higher birthrates, and tend to exhaust their land if they don’t have careful agricultural practices. Consequently they will be expansionary, and often aggressively so. There could be and I believe were, societies that did at least some cultivation but did it gently, carefully, perhaps intermittently, without losing the understanding that we are one species of animal embedded in a marvelous web of life, all our kin and deserving respect. Trouble is when such societies have aggressive expansionary neighbors, the inevitable result is that the aggressive ones will end up on the land now inhabited by the gentle ones. In other words, the ugly truth is that violence and theft WORK. The egalitarian, respectful way of life works too, and works better in the long run as it doesn’t desecrate its own nest–but there’s no long run when aggressive neighbors push you into exile. Indigenous wisdom is way of living lightly on the land in cooperation with everyone else, but it ends when the conquerors arrive. And this problem underlies history from its beginning until the present day, when the conqueror mentality has everything to do with why we have set ourselves up with a nifty choice of at least three different way we could bring extinction on ourselves before the century’s out. No one has ever found a way to disarm the aggressors. Those who want to conquer other human groups are pretty much always also into human exceptionalism and male domination of women and children.

James R. Martin
2 years ago

I asked ChatGPT. Here is her response:

Me:

In philosophy, is the concept of “free will” treated as perfectly synonymous with the concept of agency?

ChatGPT:

In philosophy, the concepts of free will and agency are related but not perfectly synonymous. They often intersect but can be distinguished in certain contexts.

Agency refers to the capacity of an individual to act, to make choices, and to have control or autonomy over those choices. It encompasses the ability to initiate actions, make decisions, and take responsibility for one’s actions.

Free will, on the other hand, is a more specific concept that pertains to the philosophical idea that individuals have the power or ability to make choices that are not determined by external factors or predestined by fate. Free will involves the belief that one has the freedom to choose among various options and is not entirely bound by determinism or external influences.

While agency involves the capacity to act and make choices, free will delves deeper into the nature of those choices, positing whether they are genuinely free from determinism or causal factors.

In philosophical discussions, the relationship between free will and agency is complex. Some argue that agency presupposes the existence of free will, as the ability to act implies the ability to choose freely. However, others might argue that agency can exist even in the absence of genuine free will, perhaps in a compatibilist framework where free will and determinism are reconciled.

Therefore, while closely related, the concepts of free will and agency are not always treated as perfectly synonymous in philosophical discourse due to the nuanced differences in their scope and implications.

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Now, if ChatGPT is correct here, then I’d say that the question of “free will” is a stupid, lousy question to begin with. It’s the wrong question to be asking, and we’d be doing ourselves better if we framed the whole inquiry in relation not to “free will” but to agency — with the aim to understand what agency actually amounts to and how it differs from “free will”.

Personally, I think it’s just dumb to ponder any questions outside of a process-relational ontology framework of concepts — or paradigm. That’s because I’m completely convinced that NOTHING whatsoever exists except in a process-relational way. That is, nothing exists — nothing whatsoever — independently and unchangingly. Everything exists in process within a set of relations which are ultimately cosmic in scope. That is, I am ultimately the cosmos itself, and so are you, because all conceptual divisions we may imagine or insist upon are not absolute divisions in any useful ontological sense. A leaf on a tree is part of the tree, right? It has no independent existence. Nothing does! No one does. We exist in a relational field in which we have no “free will” because we’re not segregable from the relational field. Agency is thus not lodged upon inside a separate ‘self’ any more than minds or psyches are.

Most philosophical confusions (as it seems to me) come down to insisting that things (or persons, or agents) exist independently rather than relationally. Our most popular cultural ontological paradigm is simply wrong and false.

*****
“How would a philosopher who subscribes to process-relational ontology tend to think about discussions of “free will” and agency?”

https://chat.openai.com/share/8ad71f1a-5004-4832-adb0-9f5a7bef0f42

Alice Friedemann
Alice Friedemann
2 years ago

What a great post (as usual)! What I don’t understand is why there isn’t much activism as far as nuclear weapons, surely as much of an existential threat as Climate change, with up to 5 billion killed from nuclear winter according to the latest research. Scientific American has a special December 2023 issue dedicated to this topic, I recommend spending 4 minutes to read this editorial: “The U.S.’s Plans to Modernize Nuclear Weapons Are Dangerous and Unnecessary. The
U.S. should back away from updating its obsolescent nuclear weapons, in
particular silo-launched missiles that needlessly risk catastrophe”
the U.S. is about to spend $1.5 TRILLION on new nuclear weapons to replace the older ICBMs. Where oh where is the opposition? Where is the activism to try to get nuclear storage as well?

I suppose people are burnt out on all the myriad crises, but mostly unaware on purpose, don’t want to read about Bad Stuff of any sort, including politics.
I loved Dawn of everything, which certainly has flaws. However, we are screwing up the planet’s ecology so badly what with topsoil loss, aquifer depletion, biodiversity loss and more, that we may be forced to adopt Dawn of everything / Native American lifestyles of migrating between summer and winter habitats that haven’t been depleted, and far less agriculture than today. And be able to flee from oppressive rulers as Scott pointed out in “against the grain” once there are 400 million of us or less after fossil fuels.

James R. Martin
2 years ago

“Can a human being initiate a free action?”

The younger man in this dialogue has been deeply immersed in A. N. Whitehead’s process-relational metaphysics … and is a pretty good guide to that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15akhXGHwzo

I came to process-relational ontology mainly through simply living deeply and asking lots of questions. So I have much to learn with and from this young man.

To ask what he did about “a free action” presupposes that we can understand what distinguishes a “free action” from an unfree action. That’s a very profound and complex question!

wrighttracks
wrighttracks
2 years ago

Ah yes, the Agenda of the Genes. I remember reading Territorial Imperative back in the 60s and thinking maybe man has some innate behavioral traits that are counter productive. Or, as Nate points out, maybe we need to identify the numerous innate bits of behavior and the begin the process of over riding them. I have always found it interesting that while those bits of genetically imbedded behavior were really great back when my people were hunter gatherers, In this complex situation they may be a package that is fatally flawed. I think it was A O Wilson that made mention of our paleolithic genetic package, third century religious beliefs and astounding complex technology of today might not be a good mix. I’m worried that in a world of depleting resources, climate change, species loose and 8 billion and expand population, some of our worst innate behavior patters just might show up—-Oh damn, it seems like even the territorial imperative thing is acting itself out right now. Damn the Agenda!

foodforthought
foodforthought
2 years ago

You changed my mind 20 years ago when I read your book “The Party is Over”. You have continued to keep educated over the years. Sometimes I find it easier to block out what I know about the polycricis and just go with the crowds but then I read another one of your books or articles like this one and realize I have to keep trying to make a difference.
I am certainly guilty of thinking about all the people who don’t seem to get it as stupid and uncaring. This article is a good reminder that they aren’t trying to destroy themselves and the world and I should be more understanding and try harder to influence their thinking.
Thank you for all you do.

James R. Martin
2 years ago

Once I fully comprehended that what folks are discussing when discussing “free will” isn’t the question of whether individuals participate in individual agency, but whether to be an agent means having an autonomous, isolated “will”, I realized that there isn’t really such a philosophical problem to begin with. The problem is in and as the question itself. It’s a question which assumes that anyone or anything can exist independently — and nothing can exist in this fashion. So the entire millennia old debate about free will is nothing other than asking a dumb question. And the solution to the question is not to ask such a dumb question in the first place.

Greig Meyer
Greig Meyer
2 years ago

This is the Age of Humans. In all probability in historical terms it is going to be a brief period and vast amounts of concrete will be most enduring legacy for whoever follows. Moving in circles of environmentally aware people can lead to the conclusion that mass voluntary behavioural change is a possibility, but misses the reality of the majority of people who are just trying to survive life, their children, spouses and work colleagues without falling to pieces and taking advantage of what pleasures that can (as largely recommended by everyone else’s behaviour around them).

The OECD has announced that sadly the world economy will only grow at 3% this year. The inability to understand the mathematical impact of a compounding global economy is near universal. Even the environmental/climate change movement is now almost exclusively focused on the impact on humans. What remains of the natural world is being eradicated systematically at a rate of knots that is all but incomprehensible. Everyone assumes that nature can and will move somewhere else and that their own behaviour is not of critical impact.

We are also only at the beginning of mass human migrations away from poverty and desertification. While we marvel at a few million wildebeest or birds on the move, this is nothing to the quantity of humans that will move if needed to get away from unviable locations. And unviable could be climate, resource depletion, drought, war, and so on. The annual addition of 80 million people will in time perhaps prove to be the greatest hindrance to free will of all.

Greg McKenzie
Greg McKenzie
2 years ago

Lots of interesting discussion here. I will try to focus on one idea that has not already been mentioned.

Sapolsky offers a deep and cogent argument based upon his background in neuroscience and biology. The question of “free will” and “agency” is, to some extent, a metaphorical one. Our language evolved as we organized ourselves into bands, villages, and ultimately states. The metaphorical world created by our language was never very successful at reflecting the “real world.” We should be careful about treating many of the things described in metaphorical language as “real.” For scientists this is even more important. I don’t think that the term “free will” is very useful in any scientific discussion. 
Unfortunately, “free will” is a key component of most religious theology. In short, the term “free will” is a theological concept which is reserved for humans, and not any other life forms.

As we know, most people believe that they are “more advanced”, or somehow “better” than mere “animals.” This is why the idea of free will is so damaging to our efforts to mitigate climate change. In order to address the changes now needed we have to change our view of humans to see ourselves as part of a global web of life that is awesome and humbling. To view ourselves as being at the pinnacle of evolution is not only scientifically false but it also denigrates all other life to a lesser value. This, of course, comes directly from religion. (And this is why this discussion is so difficult for so many.) Eliminating the concept of “free will” from the discussion would make it much more fruitful.

Rianne C ten Veen
2 years ago

Or maybe exactly we need to reflect what/ how we’re (ab)using our free will … are we taking honest responsibility for our accountability?

mikitakashi
mikitakashi
2 years ago

Thank you for your wisdom. Buddha said, “Events happen, deeds are done, but there is no individual doer thereof.” If we understand that there is less free will than we think, there will be more compassion and forgiveness in the world, which will make the world change possible. I agree with this great possibility you have suggested.

mat redsell
2 years ago

Quite an article! AS I grow older I can see I am making better choices and understanding people better. Figuring out how to farm in an ecological way has become prominent in my life despite the drawbacks of government in their desire for monetary gain as the only reason for farming.
In my old age | am becoming less fearful of the consequences of my actions when I disagree with authority. Life is short for me now so I will do my best at understanding others but encouraging others to get out of the consumerism addiction.

Paul Heft
Paul Heft
2 years ago

Great article, necessarily leaving the answer ambiguous. Whether or not we act from free will, we do make decisions and influence others, which has some effect in aggregate. Unfortunately, it doesn’t appear that influencing politicians (and the elites that they serve) or encouraging mass movements have the effects that we wish for: the resulting policy or behavior changes have been awfully limited, and the polycrisis moves along even as it’s increasingly recognized by thought leaders.
Well, at least we can learn from people like Sapolsky and Heinberg: beware of faulting individuals and evaluating good vs. evil, considering that the degree of freedom in our thinking is quite constrained. We’re all doing the best we can–as far from ideal as that may be–and we all think we’re doing the right thing–aided by a fantastic variety of rationalizations.

Andrew Randrianasulu
Andrew Randrianasulu
2 years ago

May be much more than Artificial Intelligence we need artificial emphaty? If those neurotransmitter transmit our doom – may be we should learn how to dial them down.

If current politicians can’t help themselves … may be something must be done about this.

Anarcho-transhumanism might be not The road forward, but mught offer some fresh thoughts. So far it seems anything of chemical nature just way to rough hammer for our heads, but may be more research is needed ( here I pun back to era in usa history where ppl experimented with various chemicals .. it was a bit chaotic and pleasure-driven to be declared real era of discovery I think, but may be search for soft antidote against Milgram experiment types of behavior worth thinking about …).

Also , I was happy to discover there are organic transistors, usually very slow (few hertzs) but whole idea of sewing your computer and wear it is refreshing 🙂 . Organic as in some ingridients are edible ….

James R. Martin
2 years ago

The theme in this article is one I’ve been pondering a lot lately, in the form of the word use “agency,” rather than “free will”. The phrase “free will,” I think, emerged mainly out of theology, and I have zero interest in theology. But I’m very interested in the topic of agency. (Are we supposed to treat these terms as synonymous?)

I’m also very interested in what I suppose would be called the “ontology” of agency — how it exists (and when and where). And I’m interested in exploring how the concept of “free will” differs from the concept of agency. And I’m interested in recent developments in philosophy which amount to whole new ways of framing (and exploring) questions of agency — some of which basically assume that agency is more ubiquitous in nature than the Western traditions of thought have ever imagined or considered until recently. Why have we thought of agency as being uniquely human? Hmm?

If I were trapped in a corner on these matters, told I’d be burned at the stake if I didn’t immediately provide an answer to “my position” on agency or “free will”, I suppose I’d say I’m a compatibilist. I think this basically amounts to saying yes to the question “Do we have agency?” and “Are we determined by causal factors in our choices and behavior?”

When we focus on “free will” as an idea centered on an individual, a “self”, we’re already caught up on some ontological and epistemological conundrums or (likely) confusions about the location of the self and the self’s mind / consciousness…. The most common view of “self” in the contemporary / modern world is that it has what we could call “simple location” in the interiority of an individual person. But one cannot have thought much, read much, or engaged in much philosophical inquiry … and believe that the self and his or her mind (preferable to “it’s”) has “simple location” of this kind! Careful empirical observation reveals the psyche, mind and “interiority” of a self as profoundly distributed.

One way to understand this distribution of mind/psyche/self/agency… is to begin by asking whether it is true that the mind/psyche/self/agency is actually located in our heads/brains, as is commonly held to be the case. And I believe that all of the evidence reveals that instead mind/psyche is distributed throughout the entire body, not just found in our skulls. But why stop there? Why is our mind/psyche/self/agency not also distributed in the social field as well as the natural world and cosmos? Why do we imagine a self as something lodged up inside of ourselves only, and not also distributed in what would aptly be called a “relational field” — an “ecology” of self, to use ecology here both literally and as a metaphor.

That’s what I assume about these matters, and so I think asking whether we have “free will” is a bit of a silly question — the wrong kind of question to ask.

But if you think through what I have just said, and you adopt my process-relational ontology on these matters, you might begin to understand how I think about things political, with politics being about “decision-making in groups” (whether or not a group is a state). In this context you can perhaps get a sense of why I’m interested in what is called “agency” as really the central question of both politics and philosophy. And it — in my view — isn’t a resolvable question. It’s a question to live … together, relationally. In dialogue as well as in action.

RobertC
RobertC
2 years ago

I tried to read thoroughly this article and the comments about it and I did not see the suggestion that “free will” is an illusion that developed as humanity evolved out of earlier species. It’s possible our neuro-systems evolved the sense of “free will” because it turned out to have survival value and thus was reproduced and enhanced as time went on. Evolution is of course a continuing set of experiments as genetic variations are tested against the environment in which they happen. Some fail the test or work for a while, that is until mal-adaptations or environmental change disadvantages a species. Thus are species trimmed from the tree of life. “Life” has a life of its own, having for the past billions of years developed with increasing complexity (and not just in the human sense). Free will was not needed. We humans are simply part of that ongoing “force” to perpetuate “life,” not any given species per se but whatever forms life can exist in by capturing energy and embodying it in organisms that reproduce.
It was of interest to read this article on “free will” and follow discussions that suggest the writers had at least a modicum of free will in determining what they wrote. Of course, they may not have written so of their own free will but were fully determined by prior causes and conditions to assert that we have a choice in whether to believe in free will or not.

Douglas Jay
Douglas Jay
2 years ago

There’s a big difference between claiming that there is no free will, and that human consciousness is in part determined by social, genetic, and cultural factors. It would be better to situation free will as also the capacity to see and work with these deterministic factors in one’s self and others, than to deny free will altogether. Richard spends little time explaining the counterarguments to Sapolsky’s book, except to claim that those who disagree need defer to the belief that “free will is a useful illusion,” which is an incomplete look at the disagreement. Also, Richard claims that Sapolsky is right in the science–that free-will advocates can’t show where free will emerges from physical neural circuitry. This would a form of materialism and scientism. However, the intellectual world has not solved the mind/body question, which goes beyond hard science and also encompasses other fields of inquiry to attempt to answer.

With Sapolsky, it seems as though he may have a political position that he’s fitting his argument around, rather than finding the strongest claims as well as the ambiguities and then figuring out how politics will be affected.