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Running the ‘Systems Discourse’ Gauntlet

September 1, 2023

Recorded August 21 2023

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In this week’s Frankly, Nate considers 7 different continuums of perspectives people use when taking part in a “systems” discourse, such as The Great Simplification podcast is attempting.  In such complex and often controversial discussions, each of us has a point of view that stems from our own personal experiences, knowledge and identity – yet how we channel that point of view into the larger discourse matters. How does understanding our own perspectives potentially help us side-step mental roadblocks and become more open to other possibilities and actions? What are the hidden ruts that we can fall into when discussing the future with others that we’re not consciously thinking of and can we learn to avoid them? Can shifting our perspective along the spectrum of potential responses open dialogue and facilitate more inclusive and cooperative conversations as we collectively try to meet the future halfway?

Show Notes

00:24 – Do The Math essay on Wild Mammal to Human mass ratio over time

01:37 – Number and average weight of animal populations is diminishing

04:10 – Frankly #41

05:47 – Discount Rate

08:23 – Splitting

09:16 – Reality, Probability, and Perception | Frankly #29

12:19 – Ken Wilber, Tomas Björkman, Metamodern

Nate Hagens

Nate Hagens

Nate Hagens is the Director of The Institute for the Study of Energy & Our Future (ISEOF) an organization focused on educating and preparing society for the coming cultural transition. Allied with leading ecologists, energy experts, politicians and systems thinkers ISEOF assembles road-maps and off-ramps for how human societies can adapt to lower throughput lifestyles.

Nate holds a Masters Degree in Finance with Honors from the University of Chicago and a Ph.D. in Natural Resources from the University of Vermont. He teaches an Honors course, Reality 101, at the University of Minnesota.

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PattiMichelle Sheaffer
PattiMichelle Sheaffer
3 years ago

Yes, we’re crazy, or at least acting that way with great sincerity. The only hope I can imagine now is that after a few billion human deaths, many in CONUS, we’ll have a large-scale change in perception among functional elites which might tend to precipitate into sane governance on at least a few core issues of Climate Breakdown. Really, the only important variable in this is the time it takes for this to occur in the real world – the worst-case scenario is if it only happens after the collapse of key governance structures. Likely the best-case scenario is if it occurs before, say, the 2030 timeframe – but evidently the occurrence of best-case scenarios is relatively rare.

And you can tell just how grim shit has gotten when you must resort to modeling the future by counting human bodies as the primary variable. Of course, it’s not grim yet – the world is just burning and people dying/fleeing. But the rest of this decade will rapidly turn every following summer into the 2023 summer, but steadily getting even hotter. That will be very grim indeed.

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