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Preaching to the converted: or, my week in the science wars

July 31, 2023

I’m not the most enthusiastic of public speakers – I prefer public writing, which I find a better medium for crafting what I want to convey. When I have spoken in public, I’ve opted mostly to address sympathetic audiences likely to be receptive to my words. Sometimes, this has invited the accusation that I’m preaching to the converted.

It’s a strange metaphor, really. The proportion of all sermons that have been preached to the converted must surely be considerably north of 99%, and I doubt many congregations complain that the sermon they’ve just heard was wasted since they already believe. I’ll concede that preaching to the unconverted involves impressive skills and a fortitude I lack. Still, it strikes me that the ‘preaching to the converted’ jibe misses a large part of what preaching is actually for.

I’ll come back to that at the end of this essay. But first I want to narrate a few events from the past week or so, loosely connected by what I’ll call the science wars over food futures.

My tale begins with ‘The Debate’, as some are calling it (not generally in a good way) between Allan Savory and George Monbiot entitled ‘Is livestock grazing essential to mitigating climate change?’

I don’t intend to say anything much about the debate itself, if that’s the right word for what happened. I’ll simply commend the essay ‘Two arrogant men’ by Gunnar Rundgren, a friend of this site, as the best of the postmortems I’ve seen.

There are interesting and important issues relating to grazing ruminants and climate change, but in my opinion these issues – along with the wider issue of meat and livestock – have occupied way too much of the debate around Monbiot’s book and around food futures generally. This has led to an over-emphasis on livestock and an under-emphasis on fossil energy as agents of climate and ecological harms, while obscuring various other issues too.

One of those other issues is the way that the concept of ‘science’ gets mobilised in discussions of food futures – indeed in political argument generally. In the aftermath of the debate with Savory, Monbiot and many of his supporters pronounced that science had been the winner. Monbiot tweeted,

…what counts in try (sic) to determine where the truth in such matters lies is not shouting matches but peer-reviewed science – the whole body of evidence across the scientific literature.

It’s a reasonable position on the face of it. Of course, there can be difficulties in weighing up the ‘whole body of evidence across the scientific literature’. Some issues like human-caused climate change are pretty straightforward, but across most of the issues that Monbiot discusses in Regenesis the evidence is more equivocal – often in my opinion a lot more so than he credits in his writing.

One small example is this peer-reviewed article in a scientific journal questioning the yield potential of the dry perennial grains that Monbiot extols. Perhaps he’ll update future editions of his book and acknowledge that the whole body of evidence across the scientific literature doesn’t unequivocally support greater yield potential in dry perennial grains. To be fair, this article criticises the one I’ve just cited, making a counter case. For reasons long ago outlined on this blog I don’t think its arguments are persuasive. But so it goes on. Turns out the peer-reviewed scientific literature itself can be an arena of debate, argument and uncertainty – not just a shortcut to ‘the truth’.

Indeed, one of the things that’s struck me about Monbiot’s approach to science in The Debate and in his recent writings is how often he invokes it too generically and sweepingly as a ‘whole body of evidence’ to claim support for his position. In this way, ‘science’ as a practice of knowledge-generation easily gets corrupted into ‘SCIENCE’ as an essentially rhetorical, political or even quasi-religious claim to higher authority – the difference between science and scientism, on which I and many others have previously written.

Where Monbiot did cite specific studies in The Debate, such as one about the lowered impacts consequent upon a worldwide turn to veganism, it seemed to me that with some knowledge of the field it’s easy to see how such a study, while plausible within its own framing, could also be implausible or irrelevant within other ones not mentioned. And so it goes, again. Not some capitalized and rhetorical appeal to SCIENCE as truth, but an arena of debate, argument and uncertainty.

What, then, to make of this further tweet of Monbiot’s:

They’ve thrown all their favoured champions at me – Allan Savory, Patrick Holden, Simon Fairlie, Minette Batters – to no avail. Now they’ve got so desperate they’re invoking imaginary heroes. Who is it? The Green Knight? Prester John? Gandalf the Grey?

You could say he was provoked, but this is a notion of science deployed to win rhetorical victory points, and debate as combat between the champions or heroes of a ‘them’ versus an ‘us’. It’s hard to imagine a less scientific mentality. They say you can judge the eminence of a scientist by the length of time they hold up developments in their discipline. Monbiot isn’t a scientist, but maybe it’s a mark of his eminence as a public figure that he’s holding up debate about food futures and turning it into this kind of showbusiness.

Anyway, so much for The Debate. Roll the clock forward a week, and instead we have The Conversation. In fact, two conversations, in London. Rather less feted occasions, I confess, involving me.

One of them was the interview I did with Oli Dugmore of PoliticsJOE, which is now available here – kind of a follow-up to an interview Oli previously did with Monbiot. My interview seems to have generated a bit of attention, but since it’s all I can do to keep up with the comments of you kind people here on my home website I must admit I’ve only skimmed a few of the online comments arising from it. In relation to the positive ones, thank you very much. Among the negative ones, there’s the old chestnut that low-input agrarian localism can’t scale to feed 8 billion+ people. On the contrary, I believe it can – in fact, I believe it may be the only thing that can. I wrote a brief thread on Twitter about it here and will perhaps try to write something a little more in depth about it on this site in due course.

Another issue in some of the comments runs along the lines that manufactured food is more efficient than plant-based agriculture, which is more efficient than animal-based agriculture and any farmer who says otherwise is speaking out of low self-interest. There are a lot of problems to unpack in such statements. I unpack them in my book, and I suppose I’ll try to unpack them in future blog posts here. But I do wish Regenesis hadn’t fed this level of ignorance. And, as I’ll outline further below and in later posts, I’m starting to wonder if this particular ‘debate’ has gone beyond the stage where talking is useful.

Anyway, moving on, the second conversation involved me and Vandana Shiva sitting on a sofa with our compere Flo Read from the Unherd Club, talking about the War on Farming in front of a packed audience. Not 100% within my comfort zone (see opening paragraph), but the sofa was pretty comfortable, thanks, and I quite enjoyed the occasion. Not least because I met a couple of valued commenters from this site in real life for the first time, proving that my blog isn’t just some holographic projection of my own disordered psyche (unless of course the entire event was itself part of said projection – gosh, science and truth … so difficult!)

Prior to the event the American Council on Science and Health wrote to Unherd, proclaiming “activist Vandana Shiva is a mortal threat to the most vulnerable”. It prompted a minor storm in my Twitter feed, seemingly mostly from people in the US claiming biotech expertise and complaining about her menace to the poor and needy.

I was a bit worried that a mob would be awaiting, but Vandana was supremely unconcerned and in the event the audience seemed thoroughly engaged with our shared agrarian localist agenda. A scan down the list of the ACSH’s objections turned up the usual kind of stuff that’s also been levelled at me over the years in my own lower profile way:

“Shiva rejects technologies which help farmers (mostly women and children) to alleviate the painful, back-breaking labour of hand-weeding” and “invents misleading and deceitful connections between useful agricultural tools and war, demonizing the use of fertilizers”.

Well, I don’t think there’s much doubt that the history of fertilizer is entangled with the history of warfare, and of agricultural enclosure (see Glenn Davis Stone, The Agricultural Dilemma; Vaclav Smil, Enriching the Earth; Aaron Benanav Automation and the Future of Work). As to technologies to alleviate back-breaking farm labour, a remark of Stone’s is worth bearing in mind:

“When you hear outsiders bemoaning the horrible toil of farming, it is probably not empathy you are hearing, but a self-serving pitch from people with interests in external inputs”.

You don’t need to probe too far into the ACSH’s background to gain a sense that something similar might be in play.

In the past, despite sometimes being perhaps over-argumentatively pro low-tech localism I’ve also been prepared to argue the scientific grounds around the case for corporate biotech vis-à-vis distributed community agrarianism, to acknowledge that it doesn’t always map straightforwardly onto the baddies versus the goodies, and to concede – heaven forfend! – that people like me and Vandana may sometimes get things wrong.

But I’m losing my appetite for such equanimity. As a sometime writer of peer-reviewed articles, reviewer of the same, and part-time spreadsheet-brained number cruncher, it’s not that I’ve become averse to evidence-mongering per se. It’s that I’m increasingly averse to the contexts and ways in which evidence is invoked. For example, the aforementioned book by Glenn Davis Stone is, among other things, a carefully argued case that the Green Revolution and the ministrations of Norman Borlaug contributed to the precarity of the poor, and to further building out the public money to private corporation pipeline. As I see it, Borlaug and his heirs have been a far more mortal threat to the most vulnerable than anything Vandana has done.

To substantiate that point would require a lot of detailed evidence presentation, along with the exploration of different worldviews that cannot be gainsaid by evidence alone. If I felt there were genuinely open spaces in contemporary political culture for such exploration in good faith, then perhaps I’d be inclined to engage more. I’ve already spent a couple of months writing a book in which I engage with the evidence and worldviews around manufactured food and agrarian localism. I’m glad I did it, so that there’s a consultable document in the public domain that lays out a localist alternative to the flimsy ecomodernist case for manufactured food. But I doubt it will change many minds. And, however much analysis you do, I don’t think you can ever do enough to stop someone else from saying “I think you’ll find the science suggests the opposite of that”. Frankly, I’m tired of disingenuous neo-Malthusian narratives boosted by corporate interests against food justice activists along the lines that scientists and corporations are holding the thin blue line against the hunger of the poor.

Meanwhile, as I mentioned above, it feels to me that the political space for such engagement and for so-called ‘evidence-based policymaking’ is closing. It was always vulnerable to subversion by ‘policy-based evidence-making’ in the words of the old joke, and that now seems to me the reality of the debate on food futures and the wider drift of politics. Maybe I’m overreacting to what I’m seeing in my own little bubble, but it seems to me that it’s rapidly becoming a class conflict in which the most important question facing environmentalists, farmers, consumers, citizens, corporations and politicians is not so much ‘what does the evidence suggest?’ as ‘who are my allies in the emerging fight over food and land?’ When that happens, the time for debating what ‘the science says’ is more or less over.

I’ll offer some more reflections on that in my next couple of posts. For now I’ll conclude by returning to my opening remarks. I lack the skills to preach to the unconverted, and in the present political moment it doesn’t seem like a good use of time. Hopefully my writing and maybe even my speaking might convince a few waverers from getting hoodwinked by some of the more preposterous ecomodernist claims, but mostly I’m happy to preach to the converted, to provide – in the words of Joel Salatin from his blurb for my book – some affirming angels to help give them strength for the battles which are surely coming.

Chris Smaje

Chris Smaje has coworked a small farm in Somerset, southwest England, for the last twenty years. Previously, he was a university-based social scientist, working in the Department of Sociology at the University of Surrey and the Department of Anthropology at Goldsmiths College. Since switching focus to the practice and politics of agroecology, he’s written for publications such as The LandDark MountainPermaculture magazine and Statistics Views, as well as academic journals such as Agroecology and Sustainable Food Systems and the Journal of Consumer Culture. Chris is the author of A Small Farm Future, Saying No to a Farm-Free Future, and Finding Lights in a Dark Age, writes the blog at www.chrissmaje.com, and is a featured author at resilience.org.


Tags: agrarian localism, Building resilient food and farming systems, ecomodernism, manufactured food, small farm future

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James R. Martin
3 years ago

“Both of these visions would require gigantic amounts of energy to create (energy we don’t have) and neither of them have much in the way of political support.”

I find this statement to be highly misleading. It almost seems to be saying that a techno-industrial response to our predicament is no more or less energy intensive than moving folks out of cities and onto rural land for living in agrarian villages, or near them. (And god help those who don’t live near them!)

It also seems to suggest that there are only very energy intensive ways of moving from cities into rural agrarian villages, and then living in such rural agrarian villages.

This line of thinking looks to me like cherry picking only the evidence which confirms one’s biases. It doesn’t seem at all reasonable to me, as I have a very strong background in ecological design, and know how to build myself a tiny house with a tiny energy footprint.

Its true, though, that land is not yet accessible to those who would choose to live a low-energy neo-agrarian way of life. That’s a political problem, and it may have political solutions worthy of wondering — and talking — about. Personally, I take this to be an urgently necessary conversation, but it’s not happening mainly because the “mainstream” discourse on energy and materials (and, therefore, economy) obviates the conversation. No conversation, no paradigm shift. No paradigm shift, BAU. It’s rather simple, really.

Joe Clarkson
Joe Clarkson
3 years ago

I know it seems counter-intuitive that it would take a lot of energy to move people to low-energy lifestyles in the country, but it would. The energy component for one family would not be very much in absolute terms, but multiply that by hundreds of millions and the energy required becomes very large. Almost all of the energy would go toward rural infrastructure for country newcomers and it would all be an up-front expenditure for capital improvements like houses, roads, water supplies, fencing, woodlots, tools and livestock, etc. Once a family was settled the maintenance energy costs would be negligible but getting them settled would not be easy or cheap.

And since a family could not move to the country until there was a place for them to go and a way for them to live, all of this energy expenditure would be in addition to that required for supporting people while they wait in the city. I suspect that the energy cost of moving a family out of a city would far exceed the energy cost of building a place for them in a city. Side note: the Heinberg Pulse would be huge even if we had the energy to burn, which we don’t.

After all, a small farm needs a lot more in the way of capital investment than an apartment in a city, even if the house in the country is tiny. The rest of the improvements dwarf the cost of the family’s dwelling. I have lived on two homesteads/small farms continuously since 1975 and I know how much animal shelters, woodsheds, water tanks/piping and all the rest of it cost. And I got to use pickups and rototillers. Just think of the buggies, wagons and draft animals I would need without them.

Take a look at all the stuff that Amish farmers need to own to operate their farms. Most of them accumulated their infrastructure over generations, to be sure, but they had the consistent support of a well-established farming community during that period. Whole communities of farming newbies are going to need a lot of support. If they don’t get it, then suffer and die, word will quickly spread that country life is a hellscape to be avoided at all costs. The attempt at deurbanization would come to screeching halt.

Major changes in cultural systems, like urbanization or deurbanization of whole populations need huge amounts of energy to effect and this means that those changes need to happen when surplus energy is abundant. The great 20th century migration to cities happened while energy supplies from coal and then oil and gas seemed inexhaustible. You know the situation now is not like that.

Reversing that process now while we are right at the maximum extraction of our energy supplies is impossible. We don’t have enough energy now to maintain what we have already built (the Tainter Trap?), so don’t imagine that we can just march people out of cities to agrarian homesteads we have pre-built for them with energy and resources we don’t have.

But then, even if the rural migration was actually attempted, you have the problem that most farmland has sterile soil and would require lots of organic matter (that doesn’t exist for importing to the farm) and so rebuilding soil fertility would take years to accomplish, years in which the new farmers would need a lot of outside support.

The great urban migration of the last century and the concurrent transformation of agriculture to rely on machines and synthetic inputs was one of the biggest mistakes in human history, a mistake we can no longer reverse. We are about to pay the price for that mistake

James R. Martin
3 years ago
Reply to  Joe Clarkson

I have what I think are some good arguments against some of your basic premises, Joe. But when I think about them all carefully, I must acknowledge that they all (roughly, more or less) depend upon something we can no longer count upon, as we’ve left the Holocene recently. That we’re not in the Holocene anymore is the key topic and issue, as it seems to me.

What’s needed for any of the scenarios I imagine as possible under basically Holocene climatic conditions is a reliable and somewhat predictable set of conditions around water access and availability.

It goes without saying that there were good reasons for planning and developing human settlements around places with reliable and predictable water availability. And that’s all just gone now. Dammit!

Either it is too wet or too dry in any given place at any given time, now. Worldwide, and at inopportune and unpredictable times.

We built our villages, towns and cities around creeks, rivers, lakes, drainages…, for obvious reasons. And when it was possible, we extended out into places where groundwater could be had near the surface, such that even hand dug wells were important to our recent ancestors.

Then we sucked the water table down too far — and that made surface water even more important, and shrunk the scale of our settlement activities a fair bit.

We know how to make small, adequate shelters from locally available materials (mostly, or entirely). But we don’t know how do live with current numbers of people in climate chaos (disruption). We know how to grow or “build” and restore soil in places where it has been stripped. We know a thousand things which answer to your doubts about the possibility of largely re-ruralizing our populations. But we seem to be clueless as to how to perform such miracles where floods, droughts, heatwaves, heat domes, and all of the other post-Holocene conditions are now in play. That’s because we can’t make plans around stable conditions, mainly related to water availability, but also around temperature norms of the Holocene.

So…, I still think we ought to try to re-ruralize as many as possible, because I think cities will simply fail to offer any opportunities for access to livelihood to the vast numbers who currently inhabit them. Cities will break down economically and socially in the absence of a luxury economy. People will starve and freeze…or die of heat stroke in cities. Or be killed for a can of beans.

Or they will die of a broken heart, as many already are doing. So I’d rather die out in the country trying to work out a way with my neighbors.

Joe Clarkson
Joe Clarkson
3 years ago

Very good point. I just watched the Kevin Anderson – Nate Hagens discussion and was reminded that climate chaos is coming. It’s going to be hard to adapt to regardless of where or how one lives.

I haved lived in my present location since 1986 and have seen little in the way of changing climate even though global mean temperatures have risen 0.66 C since then. This may be due to this location being in the middle of the Pacific where continental effects from climate change don’t apply. Even so, I know that significant changes in rainfall and tropical cyclone patterns may be on the way soon. It’s going to be tough to grow food if months of drought alternates with months of torrential rain.

I still like my chances compared with people in cities, however, when multi-breadbasket failures are likely to happen more and more often. Perhaps everyone should adhere to a common Mormon precept and have at least a year’s supply of basic calories on hand at all times, just in case.

James R. Martin
3 years ago

A certain percentage of the population of many countries is at least on the cusp of understanding that any future economy will be a very, very low energy economy — because they understand that the Simple Replacement Plan approach to “energy transition” is a load of malarkey.

We who know it is a load of fetid balderdash are responsible (response able) for helping those on or near the cusp of awakening to reality to go ahead and complete that journey.

All we require is plus or minus 10% (or perhaps far fewer) to awaken from the bologna sandwich of deception and ignorance on this stuff to initiate a counter-politics outside of government (direct action, prefigurative politics, anarchism inspired)…, but it is we who know better that need to get that job done. 10% of us are ready, or so nearly ready that all they need is a little nudge and the sense that they belong to a minoritarian movement which is gaining traction and won’t abandon them to the wolves.

It’s really past time for us to begin to bring good sense to these discussions. If all we can do is claim that we’re powerless to affect change, well, we’re powerless to effect change. It’s called self-fulfilling prophesy–, and as it went in that 1981 ad for dish washing liquid: “You’re soaking in it, Madge.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bEkq7JCbik

Wash, rinse, repeat.

mwildfire
mwildfire
3 years ago

Are you aware that ACSH has for decades been employed by corporations and their PR spokespeople to work against any pro-environment movements that might threaten the bottom line? That’s what that “group” IS. Funded by corporations to persuade the public that what’s good for shareholders is what’s good for us all. I think I first read about them in Toxic Sludge is Good for You, about the PR industry and its insidious workings, which came out in 1996. I suppose you still have to counter their arguments, but it’s not like that is a legitimate group. It’s a PR industry cutout.

Sirup
Sirup
3 years ago

A pretty dark assessment of our current moment in time and the future. I fear the same and I think we’ve been there for a while now: Where the debate of what ‘science says’ is basically over (not because it’s clear what science says but because it’s become a moot point), where the ‘science’ says what you want it to say and where we as a society are actually debating politics on the basis of differences in worldview, values and frankly, interests.

And perhaps that is what we should be doing anyway, that is what politcs actually is, but we’ve made science an arbiter of ‘THE TRUTH’ and now can’t back away from that and admit that we are arguing about worldview, values and interests.

Joe Clarkson
Joe Clarkson
3 years ago

Neither Monbiot’s vision of feeding the world through precision fermentation nor Smage’s vision of feeding the world by almost everyone becoming a small farmer will come to pass. Both of these visions would require gigantic amounts of energy to create (energy we don’t have) and neither of them have much in the way of political support. The lack of political support is because city folk don’t want to get their hands dirty and nobody wants to eat fake food.

The advantage of small farms, a huge advantage, is that individuals and their families can feed themselves on small farms, which cannot be said for industrially fermented foods. The disadvantage of small farms is that families need money to buy land and time to learn how to farm. This means that most people in urbanized countries will stay in cities until they die. Only a small minority will escape to the country.

After the collapse of industrial civilization, just about everyone will be a small farmer or a hunter-gatherer. So, small farming is the future, but it won’t be available to very many in the Global North. Thank goodness there are still plenty of small farmers in the Global South. I say, “Good luck to small farmers everywhere (and big farmers, too, if they are using regenerative methods).”