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How to Think About the Future – Part 3: Uphill futures in a downhill world

June 29, 2026


 

Previously recorded on Recorded on: May 22, 2026 | This week’s Frankly is part three of the series How to Think About the Future. Today, Nate builds a framework for understanding the pathways that connect today’s choices to tomorrow’s realities. Drawing from biology, ecology, history, and systems thinking, he introduces a civilizational terrain of ridges and valleys that is constantly shifting as we are moving through it. Nate also uses the concepts of switchbacks and erosion to explain why some futures emerge by default from existing incentives and momentum, while others require deliberate effort, coordination, and sustained commitment.

Through examples that range from cell development to lake ecosystems to political systems, Nate examines how complex systems settle into stable states, and why some transitions are far easier to make than to reverse. As economic, geopolitical, and ecological pressures reshape the landscape we traverse, knowing which futures are downhill and which require climbing becomes increasingly important. The episode offers a conceptual tool for interpreting the composite worlds Nate will outline in the next part of the series, and invites listeners to consider both where they stand in the terrain and whether their daily actions are building pathways toward a more desirable future, or letting those paths erode.

How do societies become trapped in self-reinforcing systems, and what does that look like in our current reality? Which futures seem most likely if present incentives and momentum hold? And which social, cultural, or ecological switchbacks are being built today that could open new possibilities tomorrow.

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The TGS team puts together these brief references and show notes for the learning and convenience of our listeners. However, most of the points made in episodes hold more nuance than one link can address, and we encourage you to dig deeper into any of these topics and come to your own informed conclusions.

00:00 – How to Think About the Future SeriesPart 1Part 2 

00:20 – Scenario planning (more info)

00:30 – Metacrisis

01:09 – Coupled systemsPhase shiftsShortfall risk

02:58 – Conrad WaddingtonThe Strategy of the GenesMore on the landscape topography

06:00 – Path of least resistancePath dependence (more info)

07:20 – Lake aging process

08:05 – Surface water use in the U.S.

08:15 – Minnesota: Land of 10,000 Lakes and Caves

08:30 – Regenerative techniques that expand a lake’s lifespan

08:54 – Activities that degrade lakes

09:05 – Lake tipping pointsAlgal bloom in lakes

09:30 – Tipping pointsStable statesSelf-perpetuating loop

10:00 – Complex system

11:55 – Move toward authoritarianism in crisisDownfall of the Roman EmpirePeruTunisia

13:45 – Seneca Effect (Ugo Bardi), The Seneca Effect”The Seneca Effect” Substack

16:05 – Energy descentClimate changeBiodiversity loss

16:40 – Current path of least resistance: Economic contractionAdversarial geopolitics, and Increased concentration of power 

17:15 – How and why to develop trust, Power sharingTips for community coordination

18:07 – Salmon swim upstream to spawnTrees pulling up water against gravity

21:20 – ValleysRidgesSwitchbacksErosion

22:02 – Social innovationRestoring soilCreating cooperative institutions

22:10 – Switchback and erosion relationshipWashouts

Nate Hagens

Nate Hagens

Nate Hagens is the Director of The Institute for the Study of Energy & Our Future (ISEOF) an organization focused on educating and preparing society for the coming cultural transition. Allied with leading ecologists, energy experts, politicians and systems thinkers ISEOF assembles road-maps and off-ramps for how human societies can adapt to lower throughput lifestyles.

Nate holds a Masters Degree in Finance with Honors from the University of Chicago and a Ph.D. in Natural Resources from the University of Vermont. He teaches an Honors course, Reality 101, at the University of Minnesota.


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