Recorded on: Nov 10, 2025
Description
In this episode, Nate weaves personal reflections into an exploration of the human predicament, unpacking a series of chronological insights that have reshaped his worldview. What began years ago as an investigation into oil has morphed into a deep lifelong journey into the complex web of energy, psychology, evolution, and systems that drive today’s society. By sharing stories and realizations from his own life, whether it’s the debunking of Wall Street energy illusions or unpacking how sexual selection is often as important a behavioral driver as natural selection, Nate invites listeners to step back and see the human story through a much wider lens.
This episode combines Nate’s own evolution of understanding with the overarching narrative of The Great Simplification, speaking to what it means to be human in a dichotomous era of abundance and depletion, of numbness and awakening. It is perhaps more important than ever to be able to see our civilization through this wider perspective: not just as a disparate collection of individuals, but as a living – and learning – superorganism standing at the crossroads of deep time.
How might our understanding of progress change if we saw energy, not money, as the true currency of life? What would it mean to live with full awareness of our interconnectedness with the world and systems around us? And could this moment in history mark the shedding of some of the evolutionary impulses that ensured our survival, in favor of a new kind of planetary wisdom?
Show Notes & Links to Learn More
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00:45 – The Seneca Effect
00:52 – The Rule of 70
03:00 – Energy contained in a single barrel of oil
03:10 – Price of oil
12:14 – Moby – We Are All Made of Stars
12:44 – Elements in our bodies originated with dying stars
13:20 – Sunlight comes from hydrogen turning into helium through fusion
13:45 – Deep time
15:10 – Evolution of blue eyes
15:26 – 10 percent of human population has blue eyes
15:40 – Epigamic trait
16:48 – Supernormal stimuli, loss aversion, tragedy of the commons, cognitive biases
17:46 – Nate Hagens – Economics for the future – Beyond the superorganism
19:20 – Carey King research on energy cost share of GDP
20:12 – GDP correlation with gross energy use
20:55 – Fractional reserve banking model
21:15 – How banks create money
24:53 – Frankly #56: Peak Oil, AI, and the Straw
25:37 – Maximum power principle
26:23 – Jevon’s Paradox
27:49 – Charles Goodnight, Charles Goodnight on multilevel selection theory
28:21 – Chicken and egg production experiment
30:35 – Biomass of humans and livestock versus wild mammals
34:14 – Dark triad traits, Reality Roundtable #19: Dark Triad Personality Traits
