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The Haves & The Have-Nots

January 22, 2024

Recorded December 18 2023

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In this Frankly, Nate follows up the recent Reality Roundtable on poverty with a wider perspective on the different types of “wealth” in our society that go beyond the material. At the same time that the power dynamic of the economic superorganism leads us to a hyperfocus on the pursuit of growth and monetary wealth, other forms of poverty increase:  relationships, skills, health, and behavioral deficits. How do our assumptions and societal expectations align with the reality of what it means to be rich? Can reflecting on our own place within the various “Haves” and “Have-Nots” help us be more compassionate towards others and direct us to a more stable and sane place in society? How will the turmoil and decrease in total material wealth in the coming decades change what it means to be wealthy – and how does that influence the actions and investments we take on today?

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Show Notes

00:10 – Reality Roundtable #7: Poverty

01:04 – Mean income per capita in the U.S. vs Median income per capita in the U.S.

02:17 – Average increase in use of goods and services from 200 years ago globally and in the U.S.

03:38 – Material wealth enables isolation

05:14 – Long COVID

05:20 – Endocrine disruptors

05:24 – Metabolic health declines

05:50 – Percentage of people on mental health medications

06:20 – Declining attention spans

07:55 – Link between agency and mental health

08:20 – Discussing an issue reduces cortisol and boosts helper-T cells

08:58 – DJ White

09:28 – Abrahamic religions

09:38 – Meaning crisis

09:57 – Overton window

10:27 – Dark Triad, 10% of people and prevalence in high level positions

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Nate Hagens

Nate Hagens

Nate Hagens is the Executive Director of The Institute for the Study of Energy & Our Future (ISEOF). Allied with leading ecologists, energy experts, politicians, and systems thinkers, ISEOF assembles roadmaps for understanding how human societies might adapt to lower-throughput lifestyles.

Nate hosts the podcast The Great Simplification, where he has conversations with experts in energy, ecology, government, technology, and the economy to provide a systemic view of the world around us.

After ten years in finance, Nate left Wall Street to study the interrelationships between energy, ecology, and economics—and the implications for human futures. He was the Managing Editor of The Oil Drum, one of the most respected websites for analysis and discussion of global energy supplies and implications of the upcoming energy transition.

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Joe Clarkson
Joe Clarkson
2 years ago

Well said!

My only disagreement is with your comment about sociopathic culture vs sociopathic individuals. You are right that sociopathy probably has a normal distribution, with extremely sociopathic people on the tail of one side of the mean and saints on the other. I suggest that cultures represent the people who make them and since all people are about the same, all cultures have similar flaws and advantages, whether they are modern and technological or not.

But the thing that can magnify both cultural flaws and advantages is lots of surplus energy. Modern cultures have had a tremendous surplus of energy from fossil fuels and this has enabled everything from abundant food, clean water delivery and effective health care to powerful militaries with nuclear weapons and climate-destroying carbon emissions. I don’t think we can blame people for the sins of modern culture, people remain much the same as we have always been, rather we must blame it on the bad luck of finding a lot of fossil fuels.