Asher Miller (PCI Executive Director) speaks with Paul Gilding (PCI Climate & Business Fellow) on the subject of Paul’s thesis in "Victory at Hand for the Climate Movement?" In this far ranging discussion, Paul and Asher discuss the importance of the psychology of winning within the climate movement and the evidence Paul sees — in the debate of ideas, in the renewable energy market, in the fear of investors — that the fossil fuel industry is on the cusp of becoming a dying industry.